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Linux-Activists Digest #827, Volume #3           Sun, 20 Dec 92 10:45:11 EST

Contents:
  New user = easy question? (Adam Benjamin)
  Re: linux=BIG PLUS  comp.os.linux=???  (==> you VOTE) (Kristian Ejvind)
  spice for linux? (Randall A Helzerman)
  NFS + LOOPBACK -- should they work together? (Scott D. Heavner)
  V.99 MAKE dep BOMBS with irq.c: linux/interrupt.h: no such file or d (Jerry Sturge)
  How stable is extended filesystem? (Steve Harrington)
  Re: /dev/lp1 (HP Deskjet 500) VERY slow in 0.98p6 and 0.99 (Joel M. Hoffman)
  Serial port polling (Ahmon Dancy)
  X with ATI XL (Kim Ieong)
  GNU make and /proc (was: ps and /dev/kmem) (Rick Sladkey)
  Olit files missing in Xview stuff? (Lawrence C. Foard)
  Volunteers for Meta-FAQ and INFO-SHEET? (Lars Wirzenius)
  What goes into shared and where do I get it? (Chris Kirby)
  Serial driver issues (Rich Braun)
  Re: Wish list for Christmas (Brian E. Gallew)
  HP Ethernet driver (Charles Hannum)
  Re: Problem(bug?) when running background jobs with X windows (Jonathan Magid)
  0.99 problem (Alan Charlton)
  Re: Help needed in compiling sz/rz. (Alan Charlton)
  Re: Modem control (was Re: uucico not hanging up the telephone line) (Jeff Randall)
  Whats this with the Maxtor 7213 drive? (Dennis Robinson)

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From: [e-mail] (Adam Benjamin)
Subject: New user = easy question?
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 15:57:06 GMT

Well, I thought I would "expand my horizons" and learn unix.
I am a Amiga and Dos wiz and would like to learn more about
Unix (well Linux in this case)
I got the FAQ's the install docs and the .98 boot and root.
and it almost works 8`( on my Zenith 386-20.

When the Boot disk loads up it gives me the EGAc in the corner
and lists various screen modes but the text goes off the bottom
of the screen (at least 5 lines I would guess) I can't seem to
change the screen to be fewer rows. hitting any key just loads
the root image and it works fine too, just runs off the bottom of
the screen is all. Is there a way to change the number of rows
that linux displays?  (I haven't installed it yet, just booting
off the floppies)
Also where is .99?  I ftped .98 from Wuarchive (mirror site)

Thanks, from a would be linux-er


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From: [e-mail] (Kristian Ejvind)
Subject: Re: linux=BIG PLUS  comp.os.linux=???  (==> you VOTE)
Date: 20 Dec 92 12:37:14 GMT

In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Edward J.M. Colbert) writes:

>    I'm taking a simple vote: would like it split/don't need it split.
>    Then, I'm just going to post the results of the vote.
>
>    To vote:
>
>    mail -s YES [e-mail]             to vote yes, favor a split
>    mail -s NO [e-mail]              to vote no, don't want split

  Oh, come on! We have gone through the procedure of a usenet vote in which
only one newsgroup passed; comp.os.linux.announce, look at the announce
of the results of the vote (it's in comp.os.linux and news.groups).
According to the usenet rules there won't be another CFV whithin six
months and therefore we cannot create another group(s) until June next
year. Please stop these 'Please split comp.os.linux'-articles and we will
all be as happy as we can be. I do want to split c.o.l. as much as you do
but I do not want to read zillions of articles without any value!

/Kristian


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From: [e-mail] (Randall A Helzerman)
Subject: spice for linux?
Date: 19 Dec 92 03:27:56 GMT


        Has anyone gotten spice for Linux compiled?  I'll try if nobody
else has already done it.

Thank you kindly.

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From: [e-mail] (Scott D. Heavner)
Subject: NFS + LOOPBACK -- should they work together?
Date: 19 Dec 92 09:32:33 GMT
Reply-To: [e-mail] (Scott D. Heavner)


        I have no networking capabilites, yet.  (I'm waiting for
the SLIP releases.)  However, I want to test the NFS and NFSD
software.  Is there any way to do this with just the loopback
device?  So far, it hasn't worked.

        Currently, I have 3 IP addresses configured to loopback, and
they all work with a telnet session.  In my rc.net file, I start
inetd, named, ftpd, portmap, nfsd, and mountd (in that order).  When I
try to mount the file system loopback:/usr on /mnt, it
just hangs forever.  It does print one message similar to "not
connected yet, still trying" on the next virtual console I open.

        Should this work at all?

                                Scott Heavner
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From: [e-mail] (Jerry Sturge)
Subject: V.99 MAKE dep BOMBS with irq.c: linux/interrupt.h: no such file or d
Date: 15 Dec 92 17:14:24 GMT


we regarding header, i fixed the inode things re linus suggestions.
did a make dep and i got the irq.c: linux/interrupt.h: no file or dir
...suggestions anyone.
thanks

[e-mail]

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From: [e-mail] (Steve Harrington)
Subject: How stable is extended filesystem?
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 08:01:28 -0800

Actually the efs author has also mentioned that he will release
a program to convert to the new file system.  A backup and restore
won't be necessary.

Also, I have been using efs from day one (about 4 months ago) as
my root partition with only two minor problems, and those may have
been my onw fault.

While I await the new efs with great expectations I use the
current version with great satisfaction.

Steve Harrington

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From: [e-mail] (Joel M. Hoffman)
Subject: Re: /dev/lp1 (HP Deskjet 500) VERY slow in 0.98p6 and 0.99
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 17:39:07 GMT

In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] writes:
>
>The lp driver changed to a new tunable driver somewhere in pl5-6 time. You
>need a command called tunelp and need to tune to your lp (the default
>values chosen at boot time seems to be way off for deskjet 500.) Here is
>what I use with my 500 and works just fine.
>
>tunelp /dev/lp -w 0
>tunelp /dev/lp -c 350
>tunelp /dev/lp -t 5

What do those lines mean?

-Joel

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From: [e-mail] (Ahmon Dancy)
Subject: Serial port polling
Date: 19 Dec 92 03:51:25 GMT


Someone posted a message about how he had implemented serial port polling
in Linux.   Whoever posted that, would you please email me your current
driver?  You told me that you would modify it for the latest version
of linux but I'd like to get a hold of what you have by tomorrow.  Please
email me ASAP
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From: [e-mail] (Kim Ieong)
Subject: X with ATI XL
Date: 19 Dec 92 03:36:48 GMT

I am currently running Linux 0.98p1 and having problem get X running with
my ATI XL.  I did get the X386 and Xconfig from ftp.cs.unc.edu:pub/faith/linux
When I try to run startx, an error message saying libc.so.2.2 in /lib is not
there.  Could any one tell me where I can shared library or tell me what I
did wrong?

Thanks

Kim Ieong

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From: [e-mail] (Rick Sladkey)
Subject: GNU make and /proc (was: ps and /dev/kmem)
Date: 19 Dec 92 03:09:51 GMT

>>>>> On 18 Dec 92 12:01:57 EST, [e-mail] (Zdenek Radouch) said:

Zdenek> If you want a really BAD example of what happens when one
Zdenek> hacks /dev/kmem look no further than GNUmake. GNUmake needs
Zdenek> access to the machine loading info, and it was designed to
Zdenek> retrieve it from /dev/kmem rather than using a generic module
Zdenek> that would retrieve it from wherever it can. This resulted in
Zdenek> a design where GNUmake must run with euid=0 (at least at times
Zdenek> that it accesses kmem), and toggle uid back whenever it
Zdenek> touches real files.

Linux /proc handles this easily.  Patch for GNU make follows.
=====
*** load.c.orig Thu Sep 26 04:43:13 1991
--- load.c      Fri Dec 18 22:03:24 1992
***************
*** 19,24 ****
--- 19,48 ----
  #include "commands.h"
  #include "job.h"

+ #ifdef linux
+
+ #define LDAV_BASED
+
+ #include <stdlib.h>
+ #include <fcntl.h>
+ #include <sys/file.h>
+
+ double
+ load_average ()
+ {
+   static int fd = -1;
+   char buf[32];
+
+   if (fd == -1 && (fd = open ("/proc/loadavg", O_RDONLY, 0)) < 0)
+       return 0.0;
+   lseek (fd, L_SET, 0);
+   if (read (fd, buf, sizeof (buf)) < 0)
+     return 0.0;
+   return atof(buf);
+ }
+
+ #else /* not linux.  */
+
  #ifdef UMAX

  #define LDAV_BASED
***************
*** 259,264 ****
--- 283,289 ----

  #endif        /* Apollo.  */
  #endif        /* UMAX.  */
+ #endif        /* linux.  */


  #ifdef LDAV_BASED
--
Rick Sladkey
[e-mail]

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From: [e-mail] (Lawrence C. Foard)
Subject: Olit files missing in Xview stuff?
Date: 16 Dec 92 09:05:28 GMT

I decided to try some of the sample programs in an open look programming
book I have. I ended up with it not finding the following header files:

Xol/OpenLook.h
Xol/StaticText.h

Where do I find these? Or does Xview only include a piece of the
open look libraries?

Are the widget libraries available as freeware?

Are there any widget libraries available for Linux? Preferably ones
with documentation included :-)

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From: [e-mail] (Lars Wirzenius)
Subject: Volunteers for Meta-FAQ and INFO-SHEET?
Date: 20 Dec 92 14:23:05 GMT

I would like to hand over the task of maintaining and posting the
Meta-FAQ and the INFO-SHEET to somebody else.  Preferably somebody who
has been using Linux for more than the past week.

What is required of the maintainer of them is to keep post them
periodically (this can be automated, I do it via my crontab), and
keeping them up to date.  It isn't all that hard, but I have a few
other things that require my attention and feel that I can't do it
well enough.  (I am also getting a bit tired of postings that ask for
things expressly covered by these documents, and if nothing else, this
makes me feel less than enthusiastic to devote more energy to them, if
they are going to be ignored by so many people.)

If you are interested, mail me, and tell me why you want to do it.

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   MS-DOS, you can't live with it, you can live without it.

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From: [e-mail] (Chris Kirby)
Subject: What goes into shared and where do I get it?
Date: 19 Dec 92 04:07:59 GMT


        While compiling the DOS emulator, I noticed that it links in the shared
libraries /usr/lib/gcc-lib/i386-linux/2.2.2d/shared. Having never seen this
before I took a look and found out that I didn't have said libraries. I set
up gcc using the gccdisks on tsx-11 according (as I recall) to the instructions
provided. Have I done something wrong in the setup? Or, am I just missing
some extra libs?
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     Winnipeg, Manitoba                 |

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From: [e-mail] (Rich Braun)
Subject: Serial driver issues
Date: 20 Dec 92 05:13:00 GMT

I've been playing around with Linux 0.98p5, trying to get it to communicate
with two serial printers, an internal modem, and a terminal.  At the
moment, I'm typing this posting through the modem on /dev/ttys1 (with
the ATS25=50 setting I mentioned in an earlier posting, to deal with
momentary DTR lossage), and there's an interesting conflict with the
interactive session on /dev/ttys3.

COM1 and COM3 use the same IRQ vector, and what I see is that output
sent to ttys3 out at a *very* slow rate (like 30cps), and no input for
ttys3 is handled until after a byte is fetched on ttys1.  (Example,
I type 'pwd' on the other session, and nothing echoes.  I then type
another character into this posting, a 'p' shows up on the other session,
and the 'wd' are discarded.)

This may be a problem with misconfigured hardware (COM3 might be
jumpered wrong) or a bug in Linux' serial driver.  Any theories?  Has
anyone else run this kind of test?

Along similar lines, I notice that XON/XOFF flow control does not work
on this port.  Even if I set the stop char to something other than
^S, output won't stop when I type it.  Haven't tried other ports.
This means my serial printer won't work as it did under DOS.

Finally, the getty program appears to alter the clocal setting and a
few others for the serial device.  I can't get it to work at all with
this serial port, since getty sees a hangup signal immediately.  I've
had to make do with the 'doshell' program.  Is there any way to make
getty not do this?  Do I need to patch the source?  Is this considered
a bug or a deliberate design?

If there are actually bugs here, as opposed to mere operator confusion,
I'd like to try fixing them prior to the 1.0 release.

Thanks!
-rich

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From: [e-mail] (Brian E. Gallew)
Subject: Re: Wish list for Christmas
Date: 16 Dec 92 03:51:42 GMT

What I would like to put on the wish list is for date(1) to update the
CMOS clock.  My system has a basically dead battery, so the clock
doesn't actually run when I shut it off.  When I restart the computer
(if it hasn't been too long) the result of a date is the same time at
which I shut the computer off.

                                  -Brian

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| "Are they dead?"                                                      |
| "Does it matter?"                                                     |
|   - Pugsley and Wednesday in "The Addams Family."                     |
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From: [e-mail] (Charles Hannum)
Subject: HP Ethernet driver
Date: 16 Dec 92 11:49:37 GMT


Based on the alpha NE/2000 (et al) code from Donald Becker and a long,
hard stare at the Crynwr HPPCLAN packet driver, I have constructed an
Ethernet driver for HP cards.

I have, of course, only tested it on my machine--a Vectra 486 with a HP
27250 ThinLAN card.  It works, though I'm not terribly impressed with
the throughput.

Any interested parties are welcome to drop me a note.

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From: [e-mail] (Jonathan Magid)
Subject: Re: Problem(bug?) when running background jobs with X windows
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 18:02:55 GMT

In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Matt Welsh) writes:
>In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Yu-Jen Wu) writes:
>>I found a problem(maybe a bug?) when I try to do some background jobs under X.
>>If I send the job to the background and then exit X, that job would be killed.
>>This does not(and should not) happen for Sun Unix---all background jobs under
>>X would be still running even if you exit X.
>
>Then they should be killed, as the parent shell that spawned the process is killed
>when you exit X. If you don't want the processes to go away, try using 'nohup'
>or fork and orphan the process by hand.

Are you using a csh variant on the sun?

the csh automatically "nohups" all processes it places in the background.
sh variants (like bash) do not do this and one must use matt's suggestion
to get that functionality.

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From: [e-mail] (Alan Charlton)
Subject: 0.99 problem
Date: 16 Dec 92 12:08:11 GMT
Reply-To: [e-mail]

Help!

I upgraded to 0.99 with no problems at all, I'm using 2 extfs partitions
and yesterday I recompiled the admutils.  Now when I do a shutdown or reboot
I get an error message saying 'can't umount /dev/hda1:  device or resource busy'
(hda1 is my /usr partition).

Does anyone have an idea as to what I've done wrong?

Cheers,

- Alan.

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From: [e-mail] (Alan Charlton)
Subject: Re: Help needed in compiling sz/rz.
Date: 16 Dec 92 11:55:19 GMT
Reply-To: [e-mail]

In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Tong Gao) writes:
> I download szrz9202.tar-z from oak.oakland.edu, however I had a difficult time
> compiling the programs. The makefile let the user to choose which os the
> program should be compiled with, but there is no Linux listed in the list.
> Could someone send me a makefile which will compile the programs correctly
> under Linux? Or could somebody tell me where I can download it? Thank you very
> much.
>
> Tong
> [e-mail]
>

If you do a 'make sysvr3' it should compile OK with just a few warnings.

Speaking of rzsz, what environment variable needs to be set to make rz
receive from the serial ports instead of stdin?  It's a pain having to
type '!rz <> /dev/modem' from kermit all the time.....!

Cheers,

- Alan.

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From: [e-mail] (Jeff Randall)
Subject: Re: Modem control (was Re: uucico not hanging up the telephone line)
Reply-To: [e-mail] (Jeff Randall)
Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1992 06:10:41 GMT

[e-mail] (Bill Henning) writes:
>I have a problem with logging in to my system... getty seems to set
>a case-mapping mode, showing all output in capitals, and not accepting
>logins... does not even print /etc/issue before each login: prompt.

>I am running a fairly vanilla Linux 0.98pl1 (SLS) with a USR v32bis
>modem. After getty times out, it prints /etc/issue, lower case output
>is available, and I can log in.

My guess is that you have getty setup improperly for you modem, what I would
guess is happening is that your modem is sending an "OK" through the line
and getty is saying "cool, someone trying to login... but the first character
is capital, I guess they don't have Lowercase capability" (this is the standard
assumption for all UN*X systems, if the first car is capital, all capitals
are printed and the capitals input are mapped to lowercase)

The solution to this would be to reconfigure getty/uugetty to ignore the
first "OK" sent from the modem and/or configure the modem to not echo
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From: [e-mail] (Dennis Robinson)
Subject: Whats this with the Maxtor 7213 drive?
Date: 19 Dec 92 11:05:20 GMT

In the near future I plan on splitting linux and dos onto two drives.
Half of dos on one half on the other, half of linux on one and half on
the other.  Hopefully so when I am doing a make I dont have to compete
with the drive if doing another disk intensive task.

This is how I wanted it....

Linux /    of    35megs on SCSI drive (adaptec 1542b)
Dos D:     of    60megs on SCSI drive (adaptec 1542b) this is my personal area

Dos C:     of    150megs on Maxtor 7213  (this is my bbs)
Linux /usr of    60megs on Maxtor 7213

can I do this and not worry about having problems?  How about the
extfs, does this work with the SCSI drives?  Any thing I should know about
this, because in the future I was thinking of extfs.  Howabout this, can
I have say a /usr directory on two seperate partitions when my needs
grow?

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